JLR 2L Petrol Recall - Emissions

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Engine Management Software Update.

You can continue to drive your car, but it is advised that you contact a Jaguar Land Rover approved retailer should you have any concerns regarding your vehicle. There are some minor changes to the overall vehicle experience, specifically; petrol customers may notice that the Stop/Start feature is operating at lower engine temperatures.

At this time, this is a voluntary recall. However, the outstanding campaign will be implemented at the next scheduled service for your vehicle. Therefore this would not affect any warranty policy you have in place.

In regards to the current CO2 levels of your vehicle up until this point, when tested to the New European Drive Cycle (NEDC), the results were approximately 2% adverse to the certified values. The amount of increased CO2 emissions will vary greatly due to differing driving style.
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Thanks. I have my first service next week so no doubt this will be done then.
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Parfect wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:44 pm Thanks. I have my first service next week so no doubt this will be done then.
Please report back if you notice any significant differences in performance/behaviour.
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mine is march 2018 and vin falls between the 2019 f type listing above, won't be getting it touched, cars going perfect, you never know what would happen after they have being tinkering with the software
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Bit more info from various websites. I have edited out most of the diesel stuff for a shorter read.

Jaguar Land Rover has downplayed claims that a recall to correct false CO2 figures achieved in certification testing, that affects tens of thousands of mainly diesel models, will affect the drivability of the cars or actually increase other emissions.

JLR has so far said the recall will affected 44,389 models in its home market of the UK. The recall will spread to Europe, the automaker said, but did not give a figure for the number of cars affected.

The UK figure includes 9,653 cars that are 2.0-litre petrol versions of the Land Rover Discovery, Discovery Sport, Range Rover Sport, Range Rover Velar, Range Rover Evoque, Jaguar E-Pace, F-Pace, XE, XF and F-type.

The JLR cars were discovered to be emitting more CO2 in laboratory conditions using the older NEDC cycle tests than recorded by the automaker. JLR said it spotted the discrepancy itself, although this was disputed by the UK vehicle standards body, the DVSA, who said it was picked up by the UK’s Vehicle Certification Agency (VCA), which is tasked with overseeing the results. JLR said it did not use cheat software to achieve the results. It claims the cars are on average emitting around two percent more CO2 than the officially recorded figure.

JLR has made it clear to owners that the recall will not affect power outputs and has released information about what side-effects to expect.

On petrol cars, the stop-start function might operate at lower engine temperatures.

Diesel cars could get noisier on cold-starts and could idle at lower revs at junctions. JLR also said owners of diesel cars could see higher consumption of the AdBlue urea additive that reduces exhaust NOx levels. JLR said that “all of the changes have been reviewed and agreed with the VCA,” meaning the certification agency is happy the cars will return to the agreed certification figures.

The side-effects admitted by JLR are likely to mean the recall will impact the owner experience for those cars affected, Greg Archer, UK director for pressure group Transport & Environment, said. He said that T&E engineers concluded that stop-start operating at lower temperatures for petrol cars could lead to a delay in the catalyst getting up to temperature after a cold start. “That could have a knock-on effect on NOx and emissions,” Archer said.

JLR’s recall highlights the shortcomings of the outgoing NEDC tests, which organisations such as T&E have long criticized for being too easy to game. NEDC tests were replaced September by the WLTP standard that aims to make the tests more reflective of real-world use.

A 2014 report from the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) showed that the gap between NEDC laboratory figures and those achieved in independent real-world tests soared from 8 percent to 31 percent between 2001 and 2013.

In 2015, a test carried about by Germany’s Ministry of Transport following the discovery of Volkswagen Group’s NOx cheating, also revealed many cars from a variety of automakers were emitting far more CO2 in lab conditions than they were officially rated as producing.

Leaked results published by Der Spiegel showed the lab tests conducted on cars without the knowledge of the automaker were producing up to 36 percent more CO2.

The exposure of JLR’s higher CO2 emissions and the subsequent recall orchestrated by the UK’s VCA test authority shows that countries are taking testing discrepancies much more seriously, Archer said. “Since dieselgate there have been more check tests by type approval authorities to check it’s in line with official results,” he told Automotive News Europe.

JLR’s move to return the cars to their official recorded figures means the company is expected to avoid fines or lawsuits related to the fact that customers were sold cars that emitted more fuel than advertised, and that governments were missing out on higher tax income because the higher CO2 moved the cars into higher tax thresholds.

“It would be much easier to change the CO2 value, but if they would admit the original CO2 figures were wrong then drivers could claim compensation for that,” Archer said.

Summary: Your F-Type Stop/Start will operate more frequently. Not a major issue when a lot of people switch it off anyway as part of their startup procedure (I do anyway)!!
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No mention of the inconvenience this will cause and any compensation, I have a 6 hr round trip to my dealer, the servicing of the car should be complimentary if you have to go through the hassle of this, I turn off the start/stop function always first thing, stupid button, and the cheek of them to say " YOU SHOULD CONTACT YOUR LOCAL RETAILER", yea let us do the work, cowboys
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No need to contact them. Wait for your first service and they will do it then. You don't need a special trip.

On a separate note how can you be 3hrs from a dealer?

Edit: And why would you care anyway as you have modified your exhaust anyway.
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If it's only the start stop I think it's good news. Mine is already 'detuned' as I'm K59326 :lol:
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simpleR wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:04 am No need to contact them. Wait for your first service and they will do it then. You don't need a special trip.

On a separate note how can you be 3hrs from a dealer?
yes i'm a 3hr drive to my dealer, im in Ireland and there is only 3/4 main dealers, I live the west of Ireland so have to travel to Dublin on the other side ,In Ireland the road infrastructure is a disaster, on another point it is due for first service and I was quoted €700 for a service, robbers, getting it done at another specialist car dealers , he quoted me €350, he couldn't believe what they wanted, for an oil change and the usual look around.
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I see! Presume EIRE then. We should make signatures and country mandatory :lol:

F-Type must be very unique to Ireland. We are regularly over there as wife is Irish (Tullamore) and I've never seen one as we commute from Dublin to Tullamore and down to Cork. The roads, or motorways at least, are much better than over here!

The voluntary recall is UK only at present anyway.
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